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I'll start. We haven't a good national/international political discussion on here in quite a while, and I know the citizens of Baldwin City have something to say on this topic.

How do you all feel about President Obama and his first couple of days in office?

My first question is, is the closing of Gitmo just a symbolic act to fulfill a campaign promise, or does it have any real merit? Where is he going to put these 245 people? Other countries don't want them, we don't want them in our homeland, what else is there to do with them?

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NanCrisp 5 years, 11 months ago

Considering that most of them are not guilty of the crimes of which they are accused, and many of them are guilty of no crime at all, the intent seems to be to give their lives back to them. As is appropriate. End of witch hunt.

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Bloggerboo 5 years, 11 months ago

Interesting, Nan. How do you know all of this?

Did Bush and the military decide to just pick up random people so that they could house, feed, and torture them to secure as much bad press as possible?

And how do we give their lives back to them if their own countries don't want them? What do their countries know that we don't?

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kermit 5 years, 11 months ago

I believe nan probably gets most of her information from that highly reliable source--the internet. Huffington Post, Daily Kos etc. Nan, if they run out of room in Leavenworth are you ok with these "innocents" moving in next door to you since they can't go back home?

Not an auspicious start for our new President and a decision that I believe will come back to haunt him at some point.

However I am still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he makes better decisions on the economy and other foreign policy issues. Only time will tell.

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Bloggerboo 5 years, 11 months ago

Hmm...this can't be good news for President Obama: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481849,00.html

So, Nan, was it smart to release this guy...really he just got caught up in a witch hunt, right?

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cranky 5 years, 11 months ago

Lol...I love where Bloggerboo gets his/her news. Shocking.

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123456 5 years, 11 months ago

Send them to SanFrancisco with the rest of the left wing loons, but if they;re going to SanFrancisco they will need to wear flowers in their hair.

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kermit 5 years, 11 months ago

hey cranky--guess what? just heard the same report you were dissing bloggerboo for on Fox, reported on NBC. looks like this might actually be fact--because we all know NBC never-ever gets it wrong......
i'm watching home values in Leavenworth county plummet as we speak.....oh, almost forgot ---there is an airport (KCI) not far from Leavenworth...oh yes... I definitely... feel safer getting on an airplane now...canadian geese and all.

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ralpho 5 years, 11 months ago

Obama cannot save America. Obama is a product of a vicious American political culture that has been cursed beyond redemption by a million mothers and fathers. Watch and see how America continues its fall into a fourth-world nation and becomes a laughingstock to all mankind. After America is gone, future historians will attempt to discover the root causes for its demise. I believe these historians will find that it was the malignant American justice system that rotted, first; for, all over America, at this minute, most of the cops, lawyers and judges are liars, thieves and murderers. Ralpho

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cranky 5 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for pointing that out, kermit. Since NBC reported it too I totally believe it now! : )

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NanCrisp 5 years, 10 months ago

How are these "criminals" different than anyone else who gets arrested for "crimes" allegedly committed in countries other than their country of origin? There are three established ways to deal with international "incidents." These people are either to be 1) charged with crimes in their own country and subject to the trial/punishment laws of that country, 2) charged with crimes in a foreign country and subject to the trial/punishment laws of that country, or 3) held as prisoners of war. It looks, so far, like we've been treating them much like prisoners of war. But as they are not members of the military of their home countries, they should not qualify as such. That, then, makes them alleged purpetrators of international crimes. They should, then, be tried in the U.S. and afforded the same trial process as U.S. citizens, or they should be deported to their own countries. It doesn't matter whether or not their countries want them back. We probably would like to shut the doors on some U.S. citizens who commit crimes in other countries, but if they are deported they return to their own country and that's that.

And, yes, it has been a witch hunt. For every actual terrorist bagged in the dragnet, there have been numerous people imprisoned falsely. Now, do we believe in all people being created equal and having the right to a fair trial, etc., etc.? Or do we think that human rights extend only in the 50 united states? Do we believe that every Muslim is a potential terrorist? Do we believe that every redneck is a potential DUI? You cannot stand for your own rights if you are unwilling to extend the same rights equally to others.

I'm sure none of you would want to find yourselves or a family member falsely accused and imprisoned in a foreign country. No matter how emotionally charged the situation, it is mandatory that our country acts within the bounds of our Constitution, and imperative that we extend to foreigners similar treatment to that extended to our own citizens. To act otherwise is to make our country an international sham. There is nothing more damaging to our global standing.

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NanCrisp 5 years, 10 months ago

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/27/saudi.jihadi.rehab/index.html

Here is something that is actually productive. And considering the fact that nearly all the jihadists involved in 9-11 were of Saudi origin, this type of program could help tremendously to rehabilitate people on their own soil rather than the U.S. going all over the world trying to round up all the terrorists.

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Torch 5 years, 10 months ago

During the Civil War Abraham Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus.

Our own 'laws' and 'ethics' are going to be our undoing.

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ralpho 5 years, 10 months ago

Nancrisp asks, "How are these criminals different than any one else who gets arrested?" Governments rule by fear. That is why all governments, everywhere, in all times and in all places have used torture to control their people. The Bush administration was controlled in part by the Neo-Platonic philosophy of Professor Leo Strauss coming out of the University of Chicago--home of the H-Bomb. Interestingly, Obama also taught at the University of Chicago. Now, Strauss was a Zionist Jew who believed (with Plato) that ends justified means, and that his people--the Jewish people--are destined to rule the earth. The Jews have been ruthless against their enemies from the beginning. (Read the Old Testament as a history book for details on the atrocities of the Jews.) Anyway, to make a long story short, Dick Cheney followed the torture tactics developed by the Zionist Jew, Allen Dershowitz, and used these Jewish torture methods on his prisoners. Anyone with common sense knows that after you torture a person you have either got to kill him or lock him up, for he will surely try to kill you if he has a chance. This is part of the reason why the prisoners we are stuck with now are different. "How we hate those whom we have injured." Ralpho

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