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April 7, 2009 Election

I've read about the two seats open on the council, but who will Ken Wagner decide to have fill his position? This is something we need to know about now, not after the election.

Ken stands to hold much power in this town, not only if he wins the election for mayor, but also when he gets to choose the resident that replaces him on the city council. Note: We are only voting for two council members, the third will be appointed by the new Mayor. This kind of scares me. I don't like putting all of my eggs in one basket, so to speak.

So, let's air it out in the open, who will be Ken's appointee? Who should it be?

BTW, I miss the old speakout.

Comments

greyghost 5 years, 7 months ago

It seems like that's what happened last fall when Tony Brown left a spot open, right? He got to choose who replaced him.

I guess the third man (or woman) out should get the appointment. Seems fair to me anyway.

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cranky 5 years, 7 months ago

I agree. If Ken is elected, he should appoint the 3rd highest vote getter. I think he would be wise to do that.

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ralpho 5 years, 7 months ago

Only about one out of ten humans can read and think effectively. This is why Plato said that democracy is the worst form of government. Freemasons control nearly every local government in America. These Masons have about the same principles and values as the old Ku Klux Klan. Nearly every judge, cop and lawyer in the USA is a member of this Satanic, secret organization. As America continues its downhill slide into the pit of misery and degradation these devils will become more and more prosperous. " Woe unto you, you lawyers!" When Jesus returns, he will burn their evil souls. God is great, and God is good.

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p_zinzer 5 years, 6 months ago

ralpho,

That was one of the coolest (and weirdest) threadjackings I have ever witnessed. I really enjoyed it.

pz

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p_zinzer 5 years, 6 months ago

I think it's fine to wonder about who Ken would appoint, but let's face it ... if Ken wins the mayoral race then he is granted the authority by the codes of the City to appoint whomever he feels best to replace him on the City Council (which in practical terms means someone who is likely to see things the same way that he sees things). The City Council then has the ability to approve or reject the suggested appointee. That's how it works. He is under no obligation whatsoever to appoint the third-highest vote getter, nor is there anything inherently "wise" about doing that.

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oliphant 5 years, 6 months ago

Tony Brown didn't get to choose his replacement. The weak-willed current mayor shirked his responsibility to find and name a replacement for Tony. Instead, he buckled to Tony's insistence that they appoint a completely inert person to the City Council so that Tony's inertness on critical issues wouldn't be missed.

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Peabody 5 years, 6 months ago

oliphant,

I confess that I like your editorial cartoons more than your Speak out posts. You flatter me with your scorn. Many thanks.

Tony Brown

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oliphant 5 years, 6 months ago

Tony,

In your years on City Council you proved to be an utter and complete disappointment.

oliphant

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cranky 5 years, 6 months ago

Tony, Thank you for your service to our city. You must not have done too poorly or you wouldn't be where you are now.

Oliphant, You are such a sad, angry little thing. You bash our current mayor, present and previous councils, candidates...etc. Do you like anyone? Does anyone like you?

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Torch 5 years, 6 months ago

Nothing wrong with the city council. They've actually made great strides in the last few years.

The school board, however, should be fired. But that's another thread entirely.

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hellothere 5 years, 6 months ago

Although this makes for an interesting speculations and discussions I am not sure what there is to worry about. We have had several mayoral appointment in the last few years and I think most agree that those appointments have been good ones. Tony Brown, am I mistaken or didn’t you serve your first term on the Council after George McCrary resigned his seat after a year?

Also I think Amy Cleveninger was also originally a mayoral appointment after another council member moved out of town (sorry, can’t remember his name)

My point is that most of us in town believe these were 2 people who served their community admirably but I don’t think either Tony or Amy were appointed after they were “runners up” in a city council election. I think the mayor at the time looked to the best and brightest in the community and asked them to serve out a term of a vacated seat. The best and brightest may very well be running for Council right now, however let’s not discount the idea that there are good potential council members out there who don’t want to put themselves through the campaign process but might be willing to serve their community for two years as an appointee.

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Peabody 5 years, 6 months ago

Just to clarify, Amy served the remainder of George McCrary's term. I served the remainder of Todd Cohen's term when he moved to Lawrence in early 2004.

Judgments on the quality of our service on the council vary widely.

Tony Brown

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bishop_quayle 5 years, 6 months ago

I believe, with all of my biblical sensibilities, that we shall adjudicate the decision of our possible new Mayor's appointee before the election.

Yea, let it be known today! Oh Kenneth, Son of Baldwin, we beckon you and all of your legions for the answer to our most noble inquiry; whom shall it be that you nameth as sacred councilperson?

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oliphant 5 years, 6 months ago

Peabody - "Just to clarify, Amy served the remainder of George McCrary's term."

The remainder of George's term? You mean, George was elected to a position within the City Council of Baldwin City and he didn't serve his entire term? Now he wants to be mayor? How distinctly odd of him to put himself out there to be judged according to his past performance.

It's very clear that George suffers from lack of full commitment to things he starts:

1.) the City Council term he did not complete 2.) his apparent refusal to pay over $10,000 to some entity to which he owed the money (see a prior Speakout post), 3.) his decision to reneg on his contract for deed with the Lorenzens (see prior Speakout post). 4.) His apparent disinterest already with the present issues that Baldwin City faces, since he hasn't bothered to attend a City Council meeting yet this year (and from some others who have shared with me, they had a hard time remembering last time they saw George at a City Council meeting)

George has made a substantial number of enemies in this town with his flippant attitude towards important things. It's not surprising that some of those chickens are now coming home to roost.

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cranky 5 years, 6 months ago

Obviously, George crossed you in a way that you can't seem to get over. Must be a real b*tch having to live with that thorn in your side.

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K_dub 5 years, 6 months ago

My thoughts exactly. This George bashing goes way beyond any normal support for a different candidate.

Frankly, I'm tired of it.

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greyghost 5 years, 6 months ago

"The best and brightest may very well be running for Council right now, however let’s not discount the idea that there are good potential council members out there who don’t want to put themselves through the campaign process but might be willing to serve their community for two years as an appointee." ~hellothere


Sorry, I don't like the idea of "potential council members out there who don’t want to put themselves through the campaign process". If someone "out there" knows that they want to be a council person, they should have thrown their hat in the ring back in January. Otherwise it will seem a bit shady.

I have much appreciation for those that have chosen to step up and lead our community through some tough times. However, I don't appreciate anything subversive or covert in the dealings with potential appointees, even if it is only seen as subversive/covert.

If Wagner wins and he chooses a complete unknown appointee to the council, then it should be scrutinized heavily by the existing council. Anything less will be seen, by me, as politics at its worst.

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oliphant 5 years, 6 months ago

"...chooses a complete unknown appointee to the council, then it should be scrutinized heavily by the existing council. Anything less will be seen, by me, as politics at its worst."

Please provide your thoughts on Brown/Walbridge choosing a complete unknown appointee in Mr. Mike Magers to the City Council, since you've made your opinion about political appointments known.

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greyghost 5 years, 6 months ago

You know what Oli, I don't like the process. I didn''t like it last Fall and I won't like it this Spring (if KW is in fact elected). At least the council has the power to deny or accept the appointment. But there is a difference; KW will be able to appoint his own replacement.

This is a unique situation compared to last Fall. There were no council seats up for election, so, of course, there were no candidates for city council to choose from (I think MM had run for election previously). Now, we have two councilpersons not seeking re-election. We have five candidates who have stuck their necks out to be scrutinized. So, after the election, I think KW needs to look at the three non-elected candidates very seriously as appointees for the open seat he creates.

I think voters need to think about that with caution.

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puck 5 years, 6 months ago

On a sidenote... I am reviewing the candidate profiles and am curious as to why educational background is not included... It seem a bit like a resume without full details.

I think that is relevant information.

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hellothere 5 years, 6 months ago

Greyghost

Why are you so worried that Ken Wagner won’t do exactly as you suggest? Unlike you, I don’t necessarily feel like a mayoral appointment must come from the ranks of the current candidates but nothing I have heard suggests Mr. Wagner won’t do the very thing you want.

I think it was Oli who suggested that Ken is likely to pick someone who agrees with his point of view. Nothing strange or sinister about that is there? After all, he gets to cast 2 votes for his choice of city council members so I imagine he’s looking at these candidates very closely in light of the fact he will at the very least be voting for 2 of them.

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K_dub 5 years, 6 months ago

I know that it's more fun to speculate and make things more dramatic and interesting ... but, maybe - just maybe you should wait until the election is over, the ballots have been counted to see if an additional council seat is going to open up.

Just an outside observers opinion.

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123456 5 years, 6 months ago

Last election we voted Nancy Brown off of the island, then Tony Brown appointed her to the safety comitte, what was that all about.

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Tominator 5 years, 6 months ago

Puck

The profiles sheets were sent to us that are running for City Council and Mayor. After answering the questions, we sent them back to the Signal. The profile sheets are just a brief general outline of who we are, why we are running, and what we would like to accomplish.

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greyghost 5 years, 6 months ago

Puck, that's a good point. I'm not sure about Wagner or Walbridge, but I saw on his website that McCrary earned a B.S. in education from K.U. in 1990. If Wagner and Walbridge have websites, I am unable to find them.

hellothere, I'm trying to avoid oliphant and ghostofphyllis type tactics so I will not get into "I heard from someone" or "a good source has said" hearsay. I don't believe them when they say such things and I don't expect anyone to believe me if I say such things, so I won't. BTW it was pz who thought Ken would choose someone with the same p.o.v.

Kdub, actually now is the best time to discuss these things. Asking these questions after these people are elected would be futile.

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K_dub 5 years, 6 months ago

OK. Point well taken. I'm wondering though, how much real impact all this discussing and speculating will have on the outcome of the election.

Will these few comments and opinions in any way sway a big number of voters?

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123456 5 years, 6 months ago

If George wins and then quits how will they pick his replacement?

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uapinochet 5 years, 6 months ago

"Will these few comments and opinions in any way sway a big number of voters?

Probably not. Even though I am impressed with the number of people participating in this blog. I'm sure there are more people reading this than there are people wanting to post their two cents.

"If George wins and then quits how will they pick his replacement?"

If that happened I believe the President of the City Council will become President. Of course, then he or she would be able to appoint a new councilperson.

On another note, where are some of the others from the old speakout? JohnMichael, dsharkie, Locke, drsilo, bornagain, defenestrator, quilte, etc. . . I recognize Peabody, Torch, and gg, that's about it.

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uapinochet 5 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, the President of the City Council will become Mayor.

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puck 5 years, 6 months ago

Tominator,

I understand that the candidates have no input into the profile sheets... I just wonder why education was not included. I find it relevant. Every job interview I have been on seems to think it is important that I have my MBA and am not a high school drop-out or something. It is just nice information to know.

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TheOnlyGreyghost 5 years, 6 months ago

uapinochet~ Not sure where the other posters you mention have gone, but as for gg, that's me. The dipsquat who wet his pants rushing to register as "greyghost" when the forum changed over is someone else who didn't have enough imagination or self-respect to come up with a name of his own.

Since he stole my name, I've been trying to make sure that others from the old Speakout realize that his comments do not represent the thoughts or opinions of the "real" greyghost. I know it is confusing when a persona you believe you recognize is actually some unimaginative flake.

It's amusing when fakeghost assumes an air of importance and critiques those running for public office. Since he has demonstrated zero integrity by purposely (and pointlessly) stealing someone's established posting name, how can he expect anyone to take his comments seriously?

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123456 5 years, 6 months ago

You need to quit worrying about canidates education and elect someone with some common sense and business knowledge. Tony Brown, Jeff Dingman and George are good examples of what education without common sense gets you. After you look at George's web site go to Heritage Tractor and see what a person with good business sense,common sense and a good work ethic can accomplish. Ken Wanger is running five businesses while others are going broke. Someone needs to give George an honary B.S in B.S.

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cranky 5 years, 6 months ago

Three successful men are good examples of what education without common sense gets you?

I think Ken W. is a great guy and I'm sure he would be an effective mayor if given the opportunity. It's too bad that his supporters are turning off a lot of people.

123456, come back and make your case about education and common sense when you have learned how to spell.

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123456 5 years, 6 months ago

Cry me a river,It"s almost getting as bad as when Obama supporters attacked Sara Palin isn't it?

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oliphant 5 years, 6 months ago

Funny the name Sarah Palin should be raised in comparison to George McCrary. There's probably just about the same amount of intelligence, intellectual curiousity, and substance in George McCrary as in Sarah Palin's new grandbaby.

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Peabody 5 years, 6 months ago

Dear 123456,

It is true that I have advanced degrees, which I worked relatively hard to earn. I do not, however, think my education disqualifies me from public service.

If you would like to discuss my level of common sense in person, I would be more than happy to buy you lunch and allow you to express your views to me in a less ambiguous and anonymous manner. I live at 702 First Street and can be reached at 594-2596.

I look forward to your call.

Tony Brown State Representative, 10th District Baldwin City

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puck 5 years, 6 months ago

Ummm.... 123456...

Some people consider education to be an asset to running a successful business. Especially a relevant degree, such as business administration or public policy.

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Kenhayes 5 years, 6 months ago

Peabody Speaking of common sense why do you have two candidates signs for the same office of mayor in your yard? Now thinking ahead on your answer I will receive some sort of "encouraging debate in our community, or supporting the process blah blah blah."

In point of fact Peabody you look like your pandering to both sides of the aisle my friend. Trying to maintain your own support by rooting for both teams so to speak. And this unfortunately has backfired greatly. I suggest you either make a decision on a candidate to back for the office or take the more "common sense" approach for your position and go neutral on the whole issue.

I would call you for that face to face discussion and that free lunch but you didnt return my call of congratulations back in november so I am not sure you would answer.

Tongue in cheek on this Tony but seriously you look foolish to this town with the multi sign thing either go neutral or make a decision. I picked you to be on our city council and voted for you for congress on your decision making abilities and brains...not as a waffler...

Ken Hayes

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cranky 5 years, 6 months ago

Ken, seriously. What is your problem?

I love that Tony is showing his support for the process. He is one of our elected officials. I think it's great that he is supporting our community as well as the entire process. If you know Tony like most of us do, the signs in his yard don't appear sinister.

Surely you can find something else to bitch about.

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cranky 5 years, 6 months ago

Never mind, Ken. After rereading your previous post it is apparent that you have your panties in a wad because you feel dissed by the non-returned phone call in November. That was too much for your ego to bear.

Tony doesn't appear foolish. You do.

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lola 5 years, 6 months ago

Perhaps Tony supports one candidate, and his wife supports another.

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oliphant 5 years, 6 months ago

"Perhaps Tony supports one candidate, and his wife supports another."

Everyone knows Tony supports George McCrary. He bought the yard signs for George. I think he made a big mistake interloping in local elections 'cause he's now a big, bad elected official. I think it shows to what lengths Tony will do to place himself in the middle of things in order to feel validated, or whatever the term is. I'm sure Tony will let us know what I was trying to say.

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123456 5 years, 6 months ago

Oliphant, you should be getting a lunch invitation from Tony about anytime to talk about things, make shure he tips well.

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greyghost 5 years, 6 months ago

"I think it shows to what lengths Tony will do. . . . ."

Tony has advanced degrees, but I don't think he had any training in deciphering 'idiot'.

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greyghost 5 years, 6 months ago

123456, Don't ignore the red underlines that appear when you're typing.

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Tominator 5 years, 6 months ago

Puck

Point taken on the information is nice to know. As far as a degree, I graduated from Baker in 2006 with my BBA. I went back to college after being out of school 25 years. I believe a college degree should only compliment a persons qualifications for type of job.

Tom Farmer

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Peabody 5 years, 6 months ago

Ok, fellas, I guess I deserve this public bashing because I did ask 123456 to have lunch with me. That was an inappropriate invitation and I apologize for it.

The multiple signs in my yard are, in fact, an effort to support the democratic process, although this answer has been already been determined to be invalid. To make matters worse, I am also friends with all the candidates whose signs are in my yard and I wanted to support them on that basis. I think they all understand my motives, even when I put up signs for their opponents.

I didn't buy George's signs for him, but I did provide some extra wires that I had left over from my campaign. I also contributed financially to his campaign, as I did for Ken and Bonnie. I would have contribtued to other candidates' campaigns as well if they had asked me.

Despite my current position, I really am about as apolitical as I can be. I like public service, not badmouthing people. If that makes me look indecisive or weak, then that's a price I will pay.

I hope all of you who are able to do so will go to the polls tomorrow and vote. I, for one, am very pleased that we have so many Baldwin City neighbors who are willing to step up to serve. I think the entire community benefits from this healthy slate of candidates.

Tony

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hellothere 5 years, 6 months ago

Tony don't be wishy washy. Make a descision and stick with it. People look to their elected officials for guidance.

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puck 5 years, 6 months ago

I think that shows much grace, Tony.

:)

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