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Do You Know The “Facts”?

Baldwin City School District USD 348 Vinland Elementary School Marion Springs Elementary School closings Paul Dorathy Superintendant School Board of Education

Here is a link to the flyer: http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b427/lisagaylesmith/FACTS.jpg

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September 27, 2010

Do You Have The "Facts"?

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greyghost 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for posting this.
Tax payers take note: Your votes were cast under fraudulent circumstances!

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bc 3 years, 11 months ago

Big deal, you have a flyer dated November 4th, 2008. That flyer that was made prior to the board having to cut over 1.2 million dollars from the budget. Keep in mind, they did that without closing schools. What is obvious now is that the district is being proactive with more state funding cuts on the horizon. Do you not see the reality? If the economy was all find and dandy, the district probably wouldn't be looking to close buildings.

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Chicramblings 3 years, 11 months ago

BC, I agree with your comment - flyer was printed before people could anticipate how deep the recession would be, but please remember the recession had already started at the time of the printing of this flyer. But there is something else that I can't tie together. If we are looking at reality, while we are certainly not close to the economic levels pre-recession, the State has assured the School Districts that they are not anticipating funding cuts in FY 2010-11. Obviously the jury is way out on what 2011-12 state budget will hold. But if the closing of the two schools is being performed entirely due to anticipated budget cuts, then why did the School Board Meeting include a wishlist of how to SPEND the anticipated savings from the closing of the two schools? If the District is in fact being "proactive" for future state funding cuts, then any savings from closing schools, should not be spent, but held in reserve?

Also, did you all catch the article about tax collections beating expectations for the third straight month for a total of $38m above estimates for the year. Again, I understand there is still a long, bumpy economic road to recovery, but it is a start.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/sep/30/kansas-tax-revenues-come-3-million-above-projectio/

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Torch 3 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, but raising the sales tax 1 percent had a lot to do with tax revenues going up. That's $38m out of our pockets. Look at your next receipt and see how much you are paying on sales tax. It's 9.525 percent at Legends.

It's not a sign of recovery. It's a sign that we still have to pay for food but it costs more to do it.

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Bloggerboo 3 years, 11 months ago

bc, your thoughtful comments are wasted here. These people only want to fling mud because they are upset. I don't blame them for being upset that circumstances have changed and now we need to consider more drastic measures. However, all this talk of lying and deception is just plain mean, spiteful, and reeks of ignorance. They are mad that the BOE and Dorathy are trying to do the right things, and that isn't saying they always have made the right decision, but this is getting way to personal, as if they had something to gain from this.

Mr. Dorathy came here from out of town just to destroy this school district, get new buildings (heaven forbid) and close others. Does anyone in their right mind think that is how this man operates? Or did he come here with the best intentions and then wow, he spotted a gold mine waiting to be exploited so he jumped on the opportunity? It just defies all logic, ESPECIALLY if you have every spoken with the man one on one, as I have.

I understand folks being upset, but not these vicious attacks. That is uncalled for and makes everything they say easily tuned out because of the venom in their words. Baldwindad and others, lose the venomous tones, and maybe we could have a discussion about how to right this ship.

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BaldwinDad 3 years, 10 months ago

It's nice to see you see the undermining of education of children as a Goldmine Bloggerboo.

If what you say is correct then why didn't Mr. Dorathy having seen this "Goldmine of savings" increase the size of the new PC to accommodate for that "Gold Mine"?? As you have said in the past the new PC was never intended to accommodate these extra students. So by your own admission you have now indicated that Dorathy who supposedly saw this "Goldmine" of savings could not even enact this plan to get those savings with out effectivley undermining the education of those same children. That too me seems like your Messiah is very short sighted or just quite incompetent. While you might consider me mean for saying that about your revered Administrator and the BOE, since none of them will answer our questions directly that means all we can do is make our own judgments from the facts on hand.

The only one spreading ignorance on here Bloggerboo is you. I have debated you endlessly on this issue and at every turn I have beat you with your own arguments just as Chicramblings has done with his post above. If we are anticipating cut backs then why are we spending the money we are supposedly trying to save by closing the schools??

There is no point at this time to even think of closing the schools since we have no clue if their will be any budget cutbacks from funding for the next year and since all indicators point to the fact that their in fact might not be this seems like a last ditch effort made by really heartless jealous people to close schools since they feel someone is getting a benefit over someone else.

You want to know how to right this ship...eliminate Extra Circular activities and make huge slashes in administrative salary and positions. I would do this before I made cuts to any of the education of children that have just begun to learn.

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Bloggerboo 3 years, 10 months ago

You completely misunderstood my post, simpleton. The gold mine comment was sarcastic. I am defending Mr. Dorathy's ethics here, not his decision-making skills.

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BaldwinDad 3 years, 10 months ago

I apologize, it's hard to know when you being serious or sarcastic as most of you post are filled with misinformation and derisive finger pointing.

I would also suggest you stop defending a man that by your own admission has allowed your kids ti go to school in buildings that are falling apart for 4 years.

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NanCrisp 3 years, 11 months ago

The relevant point is that voters were hoodwinked. Circumstances were already changing in 2008 when the bond issue for the new elementary school went to vote. As is customary in B.C., a group of people who were determined to get their way any way they could pushed this thing down everyone's throats, managed to weasel votes out of rural taxpayers with hollow promises, managed to weasel votes out of college students by riding the coattails of the Obama enthusiasm, and still only persuaded a little over half the voters. The rest of us knew better. Hopefully, more people will now know better going forward.

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Torch 3 years, 10 months ago

NanCrisp wins the thread.

Many of us knew what was coming and warned people but the voters were bull-dozed and now we're all paying for it. Not only that our children and their children will pay for it.

Nonetheless, the rural schools should have been closed 5 years ago (I called for it then when it made perfect sense) and the must be closed now. There really shouldn't be any debate.

But in a town when your last name means more than your character we'll just have to keep fighting.

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JasonMock 3 years, 11 months ago

While we are citing former signal stories I'll throw one out there.

http://signal.baldwincity.com/news/2009/sep/03/debunking-baker-vote-myth/

Note that its been established that the bond would have passed without "weasel[ing] votes out of college students."

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Stacy Napier 3 years, 11 months ago

While I agree Jason that it would have passed. I still do not think that anyone should be able to vote on a taxation of property when you don't own any. Leading to the fact that no temporary resident college student should be allowed to vote on any issue / representive that is local. They are not required to get a Kansas DL or register their car in this state or county if they are a college student.

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JasonMock 3 years, 11 months ago

Notwhatyouthink: Are you arguing that a long time permanent resident of Baldwin who rents shouldn't be able to vote of taxation issues? Or just the college students? While it seems like a nice idea, the system doesn't work that way.

As for students not allowing student to vote on any local issue, that makes less sense. Why shouldn't a freshman at Baker be able to vote in a city council election, or state representative's race, or even governor for that matter regardless of where "home" may be? For four years the students spend 75% of their time in the community and they are just affected by the decisions of local leaders, and any permanent resident would be. A student is here for four years, and pays sales taxes in the community for those four years. The students pay the new "quality of life" sales tax, they had been paying the "pool" tax. The students help fund projects within the community that many never use. If we going to disenfranchise students because they aren't permanent residents, then let's not make them pay city sales tax that funds projects they'll not benefit from.

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Taxpayer 3 years, 10 months ago

Be aware that most of the savings from closing the rural schools are from teacher salaries and the BOD will vote AFTER the schools are closed on how many positions will be eliminated. This makes the largest savings in the fact finding report conditional. Also the fact finding report shows the PC and IC over capacity by the 2012/13 school year. There has been no explanation of how that situation will be handled or the cost. Another bond issue?

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Chicramblings 3 years, 10 months ago

I am thinking the same as you...the question becomes not IF there will be another bond issue, but when there will be another bond. An expansion of the IC and PC will easily be a few million dollars. So, is the savings, if any, of shutting two schools, worth a few million in 3 years? You don't even have to be a financial genius to figure that one out...NO!

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Truthseeker 3 years, 10 months ago

Regardless of your position on the closing of the rural schools, the one thing that most Baldwin City patrons can agree on is that whatever facilities we have now are going to have to last for a LONG time. Another USD 348 bond issue has about as much chance of passing as a vote to colonize Mars!

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BaldwinDad 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm not sure if it would even have that good of a chance. I mean Mars is after all Red and I likes the color Red.

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lslbison 3 years, 10 months ago

For clarification, the proposed closing of Marion Springs and Vinland does not directly affect me or my family. My grandson, whom we will be forever grateful, was raised by us and the community of Marion Springs educators, staff and families who wrapped their arms around a troubled little boy and allowed him to thrive in an environment that he so desperately needed. You see, he loves his school and even at age eleven, knows more than many of us as to what is truly the most important value in education. I attended the meeting last night at MES and applaud Mr. Dorathy for his honesty and willingness to make an effort to heal the wounds that the proposed closings have created. In my opinion, the following issues are not being addressed or justified and must be accounted for before a sound decision is made. 1. The cost-savings figures are not really savings but a reallocation of funds to support the "wish list" of administrative positions, teacher raises and programs that primarily benefit the high school and its athletic programs. 2. Several parents and concerned citizens spoke up at last night's meeting and are committed to volunteering, fundraising and monetary donations to keep MES open. Quite simply, what needs to be done to keep MES/Vinland open. This simple question could not be answered and must be addressed. 3. What are the teachers' recommendations. They are faced with seeing colleagues lose their jobs, their inability to effectively teach children in class sizes that will inevitably be larger, as well as compensation and tenure issues; all collectively restricting their ability to do what they know is best for their kids. 4. As of last night, no Board Member has even taken the time to visit Marion Springs, but yet is empowered to make decisions that affect so many.
This letter will be submitted to the Board of Education and Mr. Dorathy as well and no anonymity is needed. I appeal to the community to not let our kids suffer for the inevitable division that this issue has already caused. The differentiation of city kids vs. country kids has to stop before the division becomes irreparable.

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