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So, I've noticed quite a few Terri Lois Gregory signs around town. Way more than Tony Brown, in fact. Why is this? Have I missed out on a debate? Really interesting robo-calls? I pretty much know what to expect out of Tony, but I know nothing of Terri's platform. I will check her web site, however, I don't think that will make me want to put up one of her signs.
Anyone? Anyone?

September 10, 2010

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Stacy Napier 4 years, 3 months ago

She came by my house and we had a nice discussion. He big problem is she has no history in elected office. I do give her kudos for going personally door to door. She is running on the platform of Tony voting to up our taxes on several votes and she will not.

On the issue we discussed she seems a bit naive about the real reason for the law. and I disagree with her thoughts, but I still may vote for her. I am on the fence now.

I would say give her a call she lives in town (which is nice) I am sure she will come by your house and talk with you.

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straightforward 4 years, 3 months ago

I wouldn't let the fact that she hasn't been in elected office stop anyone from voting for her. Correct me if I'm wrong but Tony had never held elected office until he first ran for our district's seat several years ago. Anyone getting into politics has to start somewhere. It might as well be with the 10th District.

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Nathaniel Johnson 4 years, 3 months ago

I find it disturbing that Ms. Norris has not provided any real information about herself and, upon reading her web page biography, it is clear that she does not have any real attachment to our community. There are numerous ways in which a person can get involved with this community: city council, local school board, local events such as Maple Leaf, Planes Train and Automobiles, Friends of the Library, etc. These small (and not so small) commitments are the elements of a resume for higher government office.

This is a quote taken in its full context from her bio posted on her website.

"TerriLois helped on the family farm in Harper Co. until it was sold in 1979. She worked full time as an Electronic Data Processing (EDP) Auditor with Farmland Industries to put herself through college on a part time basis. After graduating from the University of Missouri at Kansas City earning a Bachelor’s in Business Administration with emphasis in Computer Science, she went on to Yellow Freight as an Operations and EDP Auditor. She was much more suited to self-employment, and since 1986 ran her own business or represented various companies where she earned nationwide recognition for Top 10 in sales multiple times."

This quote really struck me as disingenuous. Look at all that is left out or implied. What company(ies) did she do work for during the last 25 years in which she was self employed? In what capacity? What was "her own business"?

Overall, the rest of her bio leaves a shadowy impression of someone who has conveniently set up a PO Box here in Baldwin and is trying to pass as a long time resident. Maybe she is but I doubt it.

straightforward wrote "Correct me if I'm wrong but Tony had never held elected office until he first ran for our district's seat several years ago."

You are wrong. Tony Brown was on the Baldwin City Council for a number of years before running for the State House of Representatives. Look back through archived posts and you will find that he often responds to topics here in Speak Out - and not anonymously. I only know him as a public figure that I see at most school and town events - just the other night at "Da Bash" for instance. I often speak to him at these events and he comes across as candid about his views and pragmatic in his approach to representing us. His bio and views are clearly represented on his web page. Upon reading it, a clear picture emerges. You may not agree with all of his viewpoints but he is absolutely candid about them.

On the other hand Ms. Norris comes across as insincere and vague with ideas that are strangely disconnected from current debates.

Nathaniel A. Johnson gruyere.emmentaler@gmail.com

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NanCrisp 4 years, 3 months ago

The 10th House District encompasses an area that extends south from Franklin County north toward Lawrence. To presume that Baldwin residents are the only people who matter in this district is rather haughty, on your part. The representative of this district should have an interest in knowing and caring about more than just what happens in B.C. Perhaps voters outside of these city limits who hope to have some representation from their legislator would look with suspicion upon a representative whose purposes are limited to serving the Baldwin community and the interests of Baker University.

Tony Brown has often come across to me (personally) as an enemy of business, not only an enemy of the Koch brothers, which is quite popular amongst certain groups of Kansans, but also as a non-friend of small business. He speaks only of assisting "vulnerable" citizens, without the realization that a large number would not be vulnerable if small businesses were allowed to thrive and give those people jobs.

This is just to point out that, while you personally believe Ms. Norris to be "insincere and vague," others have had similar personal experience with Tony Brown. Your above arguments are based entirely on your personal, gut reactions, having no basis in fact in any way, shape or form.

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Stacy Napier 4 years, 3 months ago

Nathaniel is correct about Tony. I see him all over town. I have watched him at city council meetings. I remember at one council meeting where an issue that affected several residents was possible and a resident asked Tony what he thought about the issue and what was going to happen. Tony posed back "what do you want to happen?" That is what a representative is he votes for the people not just what he wants.

On the other hand I disagree about Terri just setting up a PO Box. She is not putting herself up as a long time resident, and I don't think that should matter either. Most of this town is not made up of long time residents anymore. The demographics of this town are changing. That should be evident to any long time resident. For example we now have liquor stores and serve alcohol in resturants and bars.

I also wouldn't say those that have been here have done us any favors. Look at out electrical rates with that great generator and our lack of city sidewalks in town. Just looking at long time residents leads to the 'good ole boy system'

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Julie Craig 4 years, 3 months ago

I received a call before the primary and the caller, who was not Terri Lois, said that Terri Lois is a 2nd amendment supporter, pro-life, conservative.

That's all I heard. I haven't met her or talked to anyone personally who does know her.

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Nathaniel Johnson 4 years, 3 months ago

I apologize for insinuating that only a long-term resident is qualified to represent the district. I certainly don't feel that is true. Another error in my original post was that I identified Ms. Gregory as Ms. Norris - perhaps a Harry Potter slip up.

What I was trying to convey is that Ms. Gregory has not participated in this community's offices or events. This quote comes from her website:

"Disappointed in her representation in Topeka, TerriLois filed for the District 10 State Representative seat in January, 2010."

What does that imply to you? To me it implies a resident who has been here since Tony Brown was elected. How else could she be disappointed in her representation? I do not believe that she is a resident who has made her home here and established her life in this community. Instead I think she is a political opportunist who has come here to challenge a newly incumbent Democrat in a year in which Democrats are vulnerable.

Much to many people's surprise I am a registered Republican, and my personal voting reflects real independence. Character is the single most important aspect in who I vote for and I take the time to research who these people are. You can't judge character without the facts and Ms. Gregory simply isn't being candid about who she is. Picking up the boilerplate conservative template and applying it along with the term "independent" is, as I said before, disingenuous. Declaring herself as a member of this community is simply misleading.

Nathaniel Johnson gruyere.emmentaler@gmail.com

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NanCrisp 4 years, 3 months ago

Oops! I also picked up your "Norris" mistake by copying and pasting the phrase from your post. I apologize to TerriLois Gregory.

You seem bent on painting TerriLois as some kind of fraud. You couch your language as statements rather than questions, indicating that you are not trying to find out whether your statements are true or false, but you are trying to assert that your assumptions must be true. This seems like an attempt to mislead on your part.

It would be extremely simple to find out the answers to your nagging doubts. She attends the New Life Assembly of God Church. Plenty of people in this town know her. Ask around.

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greyghost 4 years, 3 months ago

Does the clerk at the grocery store know her? Who are we supposed to ask? The mayor? I don't see him out and about. Maybe the owner of the Joy Garden knows about her? Who knows?

I don't know anyone who attends that church. Do they wear a certain "yellow badge?" Is that the church where good politicians go? (BTW, a politicians flavor of god is of very little concern to me. It may actually dissuade me.)

I think what Mr. Emmentaler is saying is that "we" don't know about her, except from her own website. I don't take that very seriously, since politicians like to toot their own horns. What is it that she said that makes so many willing to advertise for her?

I see so damn many of those signs, that I figured someone here in town can tell me a little about her stances. Or, when might there be a debate? Peabody, got anything planned?

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Peabody 4 years, 3 months ago

Dear Posters,

A forum is scheduled for the evening of October 13 on the Baker University campus. I would encourage all interested citizens to attend.

I sincerely apologize to Nancy Crisp if I have cast votes as your state representative that are biased toward Baldwin City or Baker University. It is my intent to represent the entire 10th District.

Tony Brown State Representative, 10th District Baldwin City

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NanCrisp 4 years, 3 months ago

Tony, I would prefer an apology for this:

A couple of years ago, the City of Baldwin obtained a Main Street grant to help bring downtown sidewalks into compliance with ADA requirements. In the process, the city council that was in place at the time decided to make the project something to hang their collective and/or individual hats on. In other words, the project became a “pet” project designed to be a showpiece on which certain individuals could build their resumes, rather than a completely functional asset to the Baldwin City community.

So a non-local architect drew up a grandiose plan with which the city council fell in love. This plan, with trees planted in curbed planters jutting out into the road, wasted thousands of dollars in its excesses. When it was first let to bid locally, not one contractor submitted a bid. Many who had seen the plans knew that this design could not be reasonably accomplished within the provided budget. Local contractors knew that they would have to cut major corners to come in on budget, and they were reluctant to offer a bid that they knew would result in low quality workmanship. After all, your local contractor has to live here and see the result of his work every day.

In a Baldwin City Signal article following a city council meeting at which there was discussion about what to do about not getting any bids the first time around, councilman Tony Brown was quoted as saying that there surely must be some “hungry” contractors out there, given the fact that the housing industry had tanked. In other words, Tony felt that, far from having any responsibility to try to uphold local contractors by providing a project on which they could submit a reasonable bid at a reasonable profit, the city council should be taking advantage of the contractors in their financial plight.

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NanCrisp 4 years, 3 months ago

Federal grants programs are often created with an economic stimulus goal in mind. Communities get these grants in part to help stimulate their local economy by providing substantial work for local companies who employ local citizens. In the case of the Main Street grant, this was an opportunity for the community to create jobs for local construction workers. When the project was first proposed, it seemed like a very intelligent idea. I, for one, was under the impression that this would be a great opportunity for the many local contractors who work in and around the Baldwin area. Apparently, even though the numbers are significant, we were not even on the radar screens of our city council members. Apparently, they did not even realize that this project had the potential to help local blue collar workers get local work. Instead, they had in mind only a jewel for their own crowns.

In the end, only one local contractor submitted a bid. I’m a bit rusty on the total number of bids submitted, but I’m thinking it was three. The local contractor submitted the highest bid. Kudos to him for at least trying to show the Baldwin City Council that they needed to either cut back on their designs or increase their budget. Unfortunately, a contractor from the Wichita area did provide a low bid. Perhaps they were “hungrier” than the local contractors, or perhaps their labor costs were much lower. There is no doubt that they did not provide the best quality of workmanship.

Indeed it is true that a low-bid contractor whose owners and employees live hundreds of miles away from a jobsite is not likely to worry very much about what they leave behind. Perhaps Tony Brown could tell us how much money that contractor put into our economy in contrast to how much they took away by virtue of paying their property and other business taxes in Sedgwick County. I can tell you that every local worker who could have been doing that work represents money taken out of the local economy, in the form of lost wages that equate to lost tax revenue, lost sales at local businesses, etc. Also, to the extent that going outside of the local area to obtain a low-bid contractor for this job has helped several local contractors down the road to bankruptcy, this represents a dismal loss of opportunity.

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greyghost 4 years, 3 months ago

Just for a point of clarity, did your company bid on the downtown and/or bridge project?

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Nathaniel Johnson 4 years, 3 months ago

Let me get this right. You are mad that your piece of government cheese went to the most competitive bidder and you didn't get to belly up to the trough? Somehow that doesn't jibe with:

"The representative of this district should have an interest in knowing and caring about more than just what happens in B.C. Perhaps voters outside of these city limits who hope to have some representation from their legislator would look with suspicion upon a representative whose purposes are limited to serving the Baldwin community and the interests of Baker University."

Which, I will point out, was not the case I was making at all but was something that you somehow interjected into the discussion. The point I was making was that Ms. Norris, the candidate, isn't a member of the Baldwin Community as she represents herself. The part that is important is that she has misrepresented (fibbed, stretched the truth, exaggerated, fabricated - English has as many words for the shades of lying as Eskimos have for snow). The word for this particular kind of political skulduggery is called Carpetbagging.

Adjective

* S: (adj) carpetbag, carpetbagging (presumptuously seeking success or a position in a new locality) "a carpetbag stranger"; "a carpetbag politician"

Nathaniel Johnson gruyere.emmentaler@gmail.com

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greyghost 4 years, 3 months ago

Is a forum anything like a debate?
October 13 is now noted in my datebook, regardless.

If there are any other voters out there willing to share the reasons why they support Ms. Gregory, I am still interested in knowing what it is about her that you like.

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solo 4 years, 3 months ago

Mr Johnston Why do you keep referring to TerriLois Gregory as Ms. Norris? Are you confused as to exactly who is running for State rep? In addition to accusing her of carpetbagging are you now accusing her of identity theft? Please clarify.

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Nathaniel Johnson 4 years, 3 months ago

Perhaps you have identified the problem. Ms. Gregory has too many names. Now that I think about it. It is my lack of familiarity with her that keeps me making that same silly mistake. Kudos solo for reinforcing the point.

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rockytop 4 years, 3 months ago

I'm wondering whether she actually knows where the 10th District is. I've seen her signs on Highway 56 all the way into Edgerton and Gardner. If she wanted to run in Johnson County, maybe she should have stayed there?

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karma2010 4 years, 2 months ago

The people of Johnson County already know this person and what she is all about. We do not want anything to do with her.

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solo 4 years, 3 months ago

Mr. Johnston--again, what is your point? What do you mean by she has "too many names". Is Norris her maiden name? And if it is what is the big deal? Why don't you just come out and say whatever it is you are trying to say so we can all be on the same page because right now I am confused.

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TMac 4 years, 3 months ago

I happen to know TerriLois Gregory personally. Here is a part of her bio that she has on her web site: In 2004, TerriLois met a candidate for Kansas House of Representatives who had values much closer to her own than the current Representative. She volunteered with his campaign and helped a virtual unknown candidate unseat a 10 year incumbent. The new Rep. Mike Kiegerl hired her as an independent contractor to be his Legislative Aide, a capacity she has filled for the past 6 years. This position enabled her to learn the legislative process, become familiar with Senate & House members and leadership, assist with legislative research, and help resolve constituent’s problems with state agencies. She has the time, talent, and values to represent the people of District 10. Disappointed in her representation in Topeka, TerriLois filed for the District 10 State Representative seat in January, 2010. As to a fiscal policy position, she feels Kansas should live within their means, not tax more and spend more. Kansas must develop a friendlier business environment and let free enterprise grow our economy if we are to have jobs for our citizens and graduates. She has advocated for a lower tax burden on Kansas businesses and citizens. She will stand strong for those most defenseless in our communities, work to eliminate the waiting list for disabled children, and protect families. She will uphold in her votes the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms, and the 10th Amendment state sovereignty in defense to unconstitutional federal mandates. She will work to improve education. Now, GruyereEmmentaler you say : "it is clear that she does not have any real attachment to our community. There are numerous way for her in which a person can get involved with this community: city council, local school board, local events such as Maple Leaf, etc"...... She is involved as she states in her Bio: TerriLois lives in Baldwin City and is a member of the New Life Assembly of God Church. She enjoys volunteering her time with school children, Rotary, Kiwanis, Optimist, and BPW clubs. Just because she does not serve on the Arts council, Maple Leaf festival board or what ever else you suggest does not mean that she is not 'attached' to our town. You also state: " I do not believe that she is a resident who has made her home here and established her life in this community. Instead I think she is a political opportunist who has come here to challenge a newly incumbent Democrat in a year in which Democrats are vulnerable."
I want you to know that she IS a resident of Baldwin City and has been for many years. I personally have lived in Baldwin city for 50 years and I don't even know everyone! So don't assume that she is NOT a resident just because you don't know her or have not heard of her.

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rockytop 4 years, 2 months ago

"Many" years? I would really like to know what you mean by "many" when it's a matter of public record that she moved here at the beginning of 2009. When someone moved here shouldn't be an issue...except that she made it one by shading the truth.

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karma2010 4 years, 2 months ago

I know her personally as well. Why has she changed her name again? She has only been in Baldwin since 2007. Is that "many years"? Evidently you do not have the truth. Once again she has fooled yet another person by lying. Shame, shame. Get the facts.

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uapinochet 4 years, 3 months ago

Be very wary, Kansans. Anyone (Terri Lois) who points out the 2nd Amendment as her campaign mantra should set off a red flag. There is absolutely no way that the federal government is going to take away your guns. If they try, all you have to do is shoot them with it, right? There is always something "militia-like" about these 2nd Amendment zealots. Scary!

Oh, and here we have a female wanting to restrict what another woman does with her body. Jesus Christ! Keep the government out of it.

Terri Lois has been shadowing the fat, white man in the state legislature for the last six years. Here's what he is saying about financial regulations: "FREE COMPETITIVE MARKETS: have made this country the richest nation on earth with the highest standard of living for Americans. I support a lean efficient government which resists over regulation and interference with commerce." Is this what Terri Lois believes? Haaahahahaaaa. Lax bank regulations has made this country more vulnerable than anything else. Failed: Wall Street, Housing, Too Big To Fail.............

Her boy, Rep. Mike Kiegerl, is an ignorant bigot as well. Hence this from his website: "I believe the nuclear family consisting of one man and one woman is the optimal arrangement for the upbringing of children, It is also the foundation of a civilized society. Therefore I oppose homosexual “marriage”, civil unions and gay adoption. I will support any and all measures which strengthen the traditional marriage, including tax benefits for parents with children who choose to raise their kids by having one parent at home to do so."

I love these people who want to dictate to us what is right and what is wrong. I think you may want to tame down your bigotry, if in fact you share these sentiments with the state rep. ". . . . . who had values much closer to her own than the current Representative." (Kiegerl)

These white, fat, republicans, who preach against same-sex rights, are usually the ones you hear about playing footsie in the airport bathrooms. Keep that in mind Terri Lois.

*Mike Kiegerl site: http://www.mikekiegerl.com/?page_id=7144

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uapinochet 4 years, 3 months ago

I also want to know why this guy is so against people adopting gay children. I thought he was on the Children's Issues Committee?

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rockytop 4 years, 2 months ago

Anyone notice that Gregory's signs are an exact copy of Kiegerl's? Is she going to be an exact copy of him?

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rumpledforeskin 4 years, 3 months ago

Ok, let me ask a question... WHAT IS SHE GOING TO DO?

Is Tony threatening to mandate abortions? Take away our guns? No, I don't think so. The problems we have are with funding education. I like the idea of having someone who has BEEN in education have a voice there in the capitol.

uapinochet has it right... ANYONE -- especially at the state level -- who brings up abortion or guns is waving a red herring around and playing with misdirection.

See you all October 13. (Dang. It's not a Friday.)

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greyghost 4 years, 2 months ago

Scare tactics work well here in Kansas.

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Patman 4 years, 2 months ago

I for one don't know a lot about Terri Lois Gregory and I intend to learn more about her. I met her once and she came across as a warm person. The times I've talked with Mr. Brown he's come across as intelligent, well spoken, but cold. To me he seems personable, but also a bit arrogant and insincere.

It's true that Tony does go to events all over Baldwin. He's always to be seen at things like the Bash, art walks, happy hours at the local restaurants, and all cultural events. He really IS a part of this community, but I also get the impression he isn't entirely comfortable with it.

I wonder if Tony Brown really wants to be here, or if Baldwin is just a stepping stone toward a goal of living and working in Washington? First city government, then state, and then congress is a logical progression for many politicians and Tony seems like a classic politician. I would prefer a person with roots in Kansas and not someone who is just living in the sticks to pay his dues.

Someone on here has called Ms. Gregory "insincere and disingenuous", another has personally attacked her as an "ignorant bigot". I prefer we leave off the personal attacks and name calling and stick to the facts we can learn and observe.

Speaking of facts - here's one many of you can remember, although there are those who would rather we forget it. We all have gotten used to seeing Tony driving town in his little red jeep. How many of you remember the little yellow bumper sticker he had on that car? It read: "KANSAS - AS BIGOTED AS YOU THINK". Certainly you remember it - it was there for months.

If that's how Tony Brown views Kansas, it speaks all I need to know. Don't bother looking for the sticker now. He removed it, shortly before he ran for the legislature.

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uapinochet 4 years, 2 months ago

I did not personally attack Ms. Gregory. I actually called her mentor an "ignorant bigot."

Why did I do it, you ask? Well, that is exactly what I believe he portrays himself as on his own website. Go back and reread the post. Better yet, go to Mr. Kiegerl's site and do your own observation.

Of course your opinion will surely be different from mine. But my opinion is that, what two consenting adults do in their private lives is their business, and theirs alone -- not Mr. Kiegerl's or Ms. Gregory's.

See, some people think that it is wrong to discriminate against people for these types of things: Sex, religion, race, creed, sexual orientation, etc.... So when we see elected officials running on these platforms, we call them out for being bigots. What term would be more endearing?

As far as those bumper stickers go, they were printed in direct response to Kansas outlawing same-sex marriage. Tony apparently saw that as bigoted. Maybe you don't. And maybe you are so against what two consenting adults do in their private lives, that you are willing to vote for people who support suppressing their rights as human beings, instead of trying to manage the other major things our state/nation is facing -- financial crisis, housing tanking, jobs growth, inflation, defense, taxation, education, etc......

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Peabody 4 years, 2 months ago

Patman,

You raise legitimate points and I would like to respond to them directly.

I've lived in this communtiy since 1994 and in Kansas since 1990. I am not a 5th-generation Kansan because my parents did not live here and I was subject to their residence decisions when I was a child. But during my adult life I've chosen to make Baldwin City my home and the place where my family resides. If you need evidence of my intentions to stay here, drive by 702 First Street and see the work Becky and I have put into our house. We're not going anywhere.

I apologize if I come across as arrogant and insincere to you; that is not my intent. I've inherited some good genes from my parents and have had the benefit of studying at some good schools, so I believe I do bring some level of intellect to my position. But, I have been accused of being too much of a stoic and that is a character flaw to which I have had to become accustomed.

As for my bumper sticker, let me come clean on that issue. My younger brother, Andy, was gay and died of AIDS in 1994, two months shy of his 30th birthday. I took a leave of absence from Baker during that spring semester to be with him and was in the room with him when he died. He is the only person I have ever see die and it has been a defining moment of my life since.

I loved my brother. I believe he was a good man. I am, and will always be, disturbed that he spent much of his life believeing he had to hide who he was. Many people, who never had the opportunity to meet my brother, have told me how terrible he was. I find that kind of judgment ... remarkable.

When my home state, the state that proclaimed itself a "Free State," the state whose motto speaks of going "to the stars through difficulty," the state that fought for school integration in the 1950s, voted against gay marriage, my anger spilled out of me. That bumper sticker was, I thought, a way for me to speak out for my dead brother and other persons like him that were hiding from the majority culture.

As long as I was a private citizen, I felt comfortable voicing that private opinion. When I chose to run for the state legislature, I believed that I needed to accept decisions made through a statewide vote. That's why I took the bumper sticker off my car -- not for political purposes, but to demonstrate that I submit to rule of Kansas law. I'm sure you don't believe that, but it is the honest truth.

You may doubt everything about me and believe I am disingenuous to the core. I know personally that I will not lie to win your vote or win any election. I am comfortable in my own skin.

Tony Brown 702 First Street Baldwin City

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greyghost 4 years, 2 months ago

Damn. Sorry about your bro......

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Stacy Napier 4 years, 2 months ago

That bumper sticker is what makes Tony a good representative. As I have said before we don't elect representatives to go vote the way they want to. We elect them to vote they way WE, the citizens, want them to. Tony had a personal belief about gay marriage, every rep has personal issues, but when it came time for him to wear the representative hat he put aside the personal issue.

I don't want someone representing me in Topeka that votes they way he wants to. I want him to listen to both sides and vote for the people.

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BaldwinDad 4 years, 2 months ago

Agreed....perhaps Tony just won my vote...

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karma2010 4 years, 2 months ago

Believe me Terri has an agenda and it is not healthy for District 10. Tony is honest about what he stands for. She has posted and commented that she has owned several small businesses for example. These consist of working for MLM's or what is commonly know as "Pyramid Schemes. It is obvious why she hides the past. Don't vote republican or democrat. Instead vote for an individual that is right for the job.

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