Archive for Thursday, November 19, 2009

Student arrested for bringing loaded gun to BHS

November 19, 2009, 3:32 p.m.

Updated: November 19, 2009, 4:35 p.m.

A 15-year-old Baldwin High School student was arrested Thursday afternoon for bringing a loaded gun to school. He was taken to the Juvenile Detention Center in Lawrence.

Interim Police Chief Greg Neis said the arrest resulted from an incident at the high school involving two students. The second, a 14-year-old male, was not arrested.

“Apparently, the principal got information that a young man was carrying a knife,” said Neis. “The 15-year-old was searched and a knife was found. Our officers were called and while they were en route, the administrators had found out about a firearm.

“The 14-year-old had removed the gun from the 15-year-old’s locker,” he said. “The 15-year-old had brought the gun to school for a knife fight after school. The 14-year-old didn’t want him to get in trouble for having the gun. The 15-year-old admitted to bringing the gun to school.”

The gun was a semiautomatic .45-caliber pistol. There were several rounds in the magazine, but there wasn’t one in the chamber, Neis said.

The 15-year-old faces charges of possession of a knife and bringing a firearm to school. The 14-year-old also had a knife and faces that charge, but that will be determined by the Douglas County Attorney after reviewing reports. The 14-year-old was released to his father.

Supt. Paul Dorathy said both boys have been suspended. He was pleased how the situation was handled.

“No threats were made,” said Dorathy. “The good thing is it got dealt with and didn’t end up differently.”

Comments

baldwingirl97 4 years, 10 months ago

Hmmmm i wonder if he was Expelled (im joking)????

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greyghost 4 years, 10 months ago

Both of these idiots (and their parents) need to be made examples of! Throw the book at 'em, I say.

Everyone who has kids in this public school system needs to breath a sigh of relief that nothing horribly tragic (i.e., Jonesboro, Columbine) took place today.

I'll be interested in seeing justice served on this one. However, let's not forget that shooting someone in the head will only get you probation. It's amazing to think of the society in which we live.

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jmyrick 4 years, 10 months ago

Good points. Don't hold your breath with justice. Our DA has a well-established pattern of closing his eyes to crime in Baldwin City, especially at BHS. But then there's your point on shooting someone in the head, which wasn't at BHS. Good points.

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Jhawkwife 4 years, 10 months ago

The administration in Baldwin is horrible, Principal and superintendent. Don't send your kids to Baldwin...at least until they all retire.

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Spiderpig 4 years, 10 months ago

It must have been Jhawkwife's kid. Mad at the administration for not letting her kid shoot up the place.

From what I hear, the administration did a great job with this situation.

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collaborator 4 years, 10 months ago

". . . each board of education in this state shall adopt a written policy requiring the expulsion from school for a period of not less than one year any pupil determined to be in possession of a weapon at school, on school property, or at a school supervised activity." K.S.A. 72-89a02(a)

This is a part of Kansas' "Weapon-Free Schools Act" found in part here: http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatute.do?number=31101

Both of these students should be expelled for at least one full year regardless of whether any criminal charges are filed.

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thetiredone40 4 years, 10 months ago

Spiderpig, do you even have kids in this School? This situation might have been handled well but other things have not.

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Spiderpig 4 years, 10 months ago

Nope, no kids. I just don't think that the post was appropriate for this article. I know a lot of the people at school and I heard that this situation was handled well.

I am sure that there are people that don't like the people in charge and people that do. It is always the negative ones that are speaking up. How many posts on here are praising anyone for anything?

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Jhawkwife 4 years, 10 months ago

Nope spiderpig...I don't have kids. Sorry. Just a graduate of Baldwin High.

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TheOnlyGreyghost 4 years, 10 months ago

fake: " It's amazing to think of the society in which we live."

Someone with no personal ethics and no respect for others' intellectual property should not be surprised at the erosion of society in general. I'd think faker, of all people, would understand the idea of doing whatever you want, regardless of others' rights. The punk toting a gun to school was probably raised by a similar punk who never taught him to respect the rights of all--even those with whom he personally disagreed.

I'm sure the kid didn't start out carrying a loaded gun to school to settle his fights. There were probably hundreds of lesser violations that led up to this: cheating on tests, stealing items that belonged to others (and justifying it simply by saying, "I wanted that so I took it"), doing sneaky, underhanded things whenever teachers or admin were looking the other way, etc.

This is exactly why we should not tolerate and condone ethical lapses at any level--they escalate into a situation where someone thinks they can get away with anything.

Kudos to the school and the police for handling this situation in such as way that no one was injured.

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Linus 4 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately folks...Baldwin is growing by leaps and bounds. The administration defused the situation yesterday, but what will happen next time? We keep building schools that have every bell and whistle you could imagine, but no metal detectors? Why is that? So our schools will be more appealing to people moving to the area?

I would love to believe that Baldwin is the good ol' boy town a lot of us have known and loved for years...but it isn't. There are families moving into our community from all over the place. We have to accept the fact that the days of good ol' small town bliss are over.

Too many students are allowed to bully and antagonize other students without any REAL discipline. It has been that way in Baldwin for years. The victims are told, by staff and administration, that the other person "didn't really mean anything by it"..."It'll be OK"..."We'll notify their parents"...blah...blah...blah! This really must change!

I am tickled pink that no one was hurt yesterday...but I do worry about 'next time'...and I think we all know from watching the news, etc. that there probably will be a next time. THAT TERRIFIES ME!

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greyghost 4 years, 10 months ago

To be honest, I stole your "intellectual property" not so much because I disagreed with you, but because I found your posts really annoying.

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TheOnlyGreyghost 4 years, 10 months ago

Gee, what does that remind us of? "I robbed the convenience store because [insert self-justifying excuse]." "I brought a gun to school because [insert self-justifying excuse]."

Thanks for proving my point, putz. You sound just like any other punk who is bereft of a sense of right and wrong and who thinks he is justified (for whatever delusional reason he gives himself) in taking what doesn't belong to him--be it intellectual property, money, merchandise, or a life.

Linus~ I wonder how much crime (mayhem) metal detectors in schools actually prevent. Statistics of averted disasters would be hard to come by... We could possibly find some stats on kids who got caught trying to smuggle guns or knives in, but how many others would just commit their intended crime elsewhere? If someone is so disturbed that they would actually contemplate shooting someone, a metal detector in one place might slow them only briefly.

Also, what do metal detectors cost vs what would it cost to have a resource officer there who could help keep things from reaching the point at which kids started packing? Many kids just need someone to listen to their grievances and try to administer some justice--particularly if they feel they've been pushed around and no one has advocated for them. Intercept the resentful kids before they reach the breaking point, and maybe it would be the difference between a Dylan Klebold (Columbine shooter) and someone who turns his life around.

You raise some good points and I hope the school administration and board are looking at (and comparing) possible resources and remedies. I'm not saying they shouldn't consider metal detectors, only that they should ask good questions and look at all options.

Obviously, the best remedy would be to prevent kids from ever reaching the point where they felt that bringing weapons to school was a viable or logical option. That would take a lot of awareness, attention, caring, and skill on the part of parents (first and foremost!), teachers, and everyone else who interacts with these kids and might be able to make a difference in their lives.

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thetiredone40 4 years, 10 months ago

The Administration does not and will not take responsibility for allowing situations to escalate to a gun being brought to school and let us stop blaming the new kids in town or the ones that do not dress the way everyone thinks they should and are automatically made out to be hoodlums. The parents of the teen need to take responsibility for what their part was in the anger of the teen. No town is a good old town, and Baldwin never has been. I have seen no tolerance or warm welcome since I moved to this town. The uppity attitude is really not appealing.

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Bloggerboo 4 years, 10 months ago

Tiredone, what would you have the administration do? Without metal detectors and an SRO, hell, even with those two things, kids can sneak weapons into school if they really wanted to. You can't blame everything on the administration, especially considering they took care of this issue and handled it correctly. You can't bash people when they do things right.

If anything, blame the kids first, and then the parents. Those are the only two parties responsible for any wrongdoing here....whatsoever.

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TheOnlyGreyghost 4 years, 10 months ago

Bloggerboo~ Where does Tiredone blame everything on the administration? Where is s/he bashing them or saying anything much different from what you are saying?

Let's both read Tiredone's post again. One of us is apparently missing something or not reading it carefully enough.

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Highstreet 4 years, 10 months ago

" No town is a good old town, and Baldwin never has been. I have seen no tolerance or warm welcome since I moved to this town."

Oh, yes it was, once upon a time. You are the problem. Go away! I say bulldoze everything north of US 56 and let's go back to the good old days. Strip mentality along 56 and all that crap. Screw it all. Just screw it. This was, once, a great little town, but it has lost its way.

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thetiredone40 4 years, 10 months ago

Highstreet, I am supposing you are one of the elite in Baldwin and do not care about the ones that have less and get treated like they are less than everyone else. I AM NOT THE PROBLEM!! Do not tell me to go away! I have a right to my opinion and a right to live anywhere I want. I do not break the law and cause problems in this town. I go to work and do the best I can to survive. Do not make me out to be not human and of LESS WORTH THAN YOU.

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cigard 4 years, 10 months ago

We're not going to see this kid again, are we? I mean, he isn't going to get back into our high school is he?

If someone makes another feel uncomfortable at the high school surely there is some adult who is willing to listen and not blow them off, right? That was the primary benefit of the SRO. From what I've heard, she could be trusted, the students would open up to her.

There's not a person over eight years old that doesn't know taking a gun to school is not allowed. This is an overt act, it's way over the top, way beyond acceptable. We don't have to put up with criminal behavior like this.

He'd better be gone as far as I'm concerned.

Crc

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Torch 4 years, 10 months ago

"Too many students are allowed to bully and antagonize other students without any REAL discipline. It has been that way in Baldwin for years. The victims are told, by staff and administration, that the other person “didn't really mean anything by it”…”It'll be OK”…”We'll notify their parents”…blah…blah…blah! This really must change!"

This nails it. The root of the problem is the horrible environment of the Baldwin Schools. There is so much bullying going on that parents would be shocked to hear what their 'angel' is doing to other kids. My kids went through it and it continues to this day. Until the district starts holding bullies responsible and not the victims this kind of thing will continue.

When talking to a counselor about the problems one of my children was having in Baldwin his advice was: MOVE!

Boy was he right.

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jmyrick 4 years, 10 months ago

Irony? The most well-known Internet bully's kids are bullied?

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Spiderpig 4 years, 10 months ago

Well played Jeff!

How do we know this kid was bullied and not just foolish? Not everything happens because someone is being bullied.

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Bloggerboo 4 years, 10 months ago

I think maybe I did misinterpret Tiredone's first sentence, TOGG, so I'll apologize for that. However, I won't back down from the point of my post and that is that responsibility for people's (student's) actions should be placed in this order:

1) the student 2) the parent(s) 3) school admins/teachers

I know you didn't disagree with this in your post, TOGG, so it isn't directed at you.

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Nathaniel Johnson 4 years, 10 months ago

Since I moved here about five years ago, I have felt welcomed and completely at home in Baldwin. I live in town, North of I-56 and my daughter attends the Junior High. If one were to draw conclusions about Baldwin from this forum, I think they would be led to believe that there exists a huge cultural divide defined by the highway. I have never felt this divide nor have I felt that anyone has mistreated my family or me for living on a particular side of town.

In the last 10-15 years real research has been done on the identification and prevention of bullying in school. I would point anyone interested in more than rhetoric to read the link provided below or to search "Olweus, Dan" - a researcher who has pioneered the most commonly used detection and prevention programs. USD348 has an educated and proactive approach to managing bullying in the elementary grades but I do believe that it could do a better job in the Junior and Senior High. We must teach our children in an unambiguous way that bullying, to include all of the subtle forms of isolating behaviors, is unacceptable. Parents, teachers, and administrators must participate in this education but ultimately it can only be our student's values that make a difference.

The first time I really read into bullying I was shocked and dismayed. Not because of the terrible ways in which children can treat each other but in the ways that I, as a child and later as a parent, was complicit in the behavior.

Nathaniel Johnson gruyere.emmentaler@gmail.com

http://www.indiana.edu/~safeschl/SrsBullying.pdf

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NanCrisp 4 years, 10 months ago

The focus on bullying in the Baldwin elementary schools began 5 years ago after there were a couple of ugly incidents at the high school, mostly between girls. The current high schoolers were either already in junior high or just ending their elementary school years at that time. One can hope that those who’ve had 5 years of bullying-awareness education throughout grade school may behave better in high school. Bullying is cultural. The culture in the junior high encourages cliques to form and by the time these mutually antagonistic groups enter high school, the tone is set.

As for the coddling of bullies, my family experienced that, as others have. My daughter was pursued relentlessly by a male classmate throughout 1st and 2nd grade. By 3rd grade, I had to request that they be in different classrooms and I also requested that this boy be kept away from my daughter. His behavior had been quite inappropriate, especially for their age. Although they were not put in the same 3rd grade classroom, I was told that I could only make a request and that there was no promise that they would comply with my request. In addition, one of the paras interceded when this boy started pursuing my daughter during recess, and even suggested that my daughter was being “mean” to this boy by not agreeing to talk things out with him. Unbelieveable. We were way past the point of “talking things out,” having tried everything within our means to get this boy away from our daughter for two years!

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Nathaniel Johnson 4 years, 10 months ago

A brief addendum to my post above, I live South of highway 56. Not that it matters except to my friends who might scratch their heads at my direction sense.

Nathaniel Johnson

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sbez 4 years, 9 months ago

Having been through the Baldwin School District fairly recently (1997 - 2007) I have to say that this has been building for years. As above has stated, it's the parents of the children involved and the children themselves that cause the problems. As early as third grade I remember seeing sexual harassment and violent bullying on the playground. I've seen middle schoolers create a cult-like club where it is cool to cut yourself as long as it makes a cute design. Classmates sneak in drugs and alcohol as early as freshman year, guns are kept in the trunks of cars to show off before or after school. Relentless tormenting of one group of students by another, on school grounds and off. While not all of the student body is active, with a school district this small, all students see it. This has been a problem for much longer than some choose to believe, so newcomers aren't to blame.

The answer is at the elementary level--maybe a few bad seeds that have been dealt too many bad cards to really recover without more specialized care, but the majority of kids just need to learn their morals early. At home and in school, proper interaction can be taught. However, Baldwin is full of lazy parents...we'll see if change really happens.

Sarah Bezek

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bonzo 4 years, 9 months ago

NanCrisp, I attend the Highschool as a Junior, and the "Bullying Program" they had when I was in Junior high was only two class periods where we watched a short film showing what bullying does to people and they said not to do it. That's about it. During the movie, half of the kids in my class were making fun of the pictures of people who were subjected to bullying and just being outright disrespectful. It is clear to me that the measures they took in junior high to prevent bullying was very minimal and has made little to no impact on the students. Just going to my locker I see kids being pushed into the wall or lockers or getting into fights, but nothing is done about it. The school just needs to tighten up on what they let slide, they can't just keep saying "boys will be boys" every time a small fight breaks loose in the halls or the classroom because obviously it hasn't fixed anything and it has escaladed much farther than it ever should be.

Also, from what I've heard, the gun was brought to school for a fight taking place that night, it was never intended to be used IN school, but that still doesn't change the fact that THERE WAS A LOADED GUN ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. The school district needs to tighten up security alot and maybe even do a few lock-down style searches of students AND lockers, I think that they'd be surprised how many people they would find with knives, drugs or other weapons.

I'm not happy about this situation at all and I think that they need to change the policy now before someone gets hurt. This shouldn't be one of those things where someone has to die or be critically injured before they fix it.

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